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You know I love you and what you are doing....but.
The IRS Tax is legit. The code is a law passed by congress. If you
do any search you will see this. Pushing the agenda that it is not
could give people the false hope that they do not have to pay taxes.
This is false. It is a law and you do have to pay it.
For those of you who doubt it just do a search on google and you
will find references to the actual passages. Or pm me and I will send
you a link that spells out the law in laymans terms.
As far as the federal reserve, I could not find anything to dispute what you have posted.
I applaud you for enlightinng us on a topic that most people choose to be
ignorant about.
Sadly, I do not think Ron Paul has the backing or is "electable" enough to
make a run for the presidency. He has put forth a great platform.
I do not agree with all of his ideas and would probably not vote for him
based on some really strong issues we disagree on.
On the other hand I am really afraid of the front runners currently. They
are so politically motivated by a very corrupt system. Edwards is trying to
seperate himself from this view. But is he really any different?
They will be in the front running because the big business guys above want
them to, because they pad their pockets in order to keep them there.
Media is run by the big money and they will tell us exactly what we need
to know in order to elect who they want elected.
And for the most part the Media is very liberal and not unbiased.
Therefore you have to be objective in everything you read and see.
Just because it is out there in print or video does not mean it is true. It just
means someone has given their view on it they way they see it.
I may not agree with the current course of things, but I have been on the
inside in the past and there are many things we do not
now. There are many secrets kept from the general public.
Truth be told, I think most of us Americans are pretty discouraged by the
fact that we are living under a pseudo dictatorship and don't have a clue
how to really change it.
Your overall message is true though. There is corruption and control by
the few and somehow, someway we the people need to dig it out and get
rid of it.
I'm not saying the IRS tax is or isn't legit and I definitely would not recommend people not to file. As I claimed at the beginning of the thread, I did not do the research myself so I'm not qualified to make any recommendation on this issue. I'm just sharing videos about the issues because I think that people like Aaron Russo, Joe Banister and Sherry Peel Jackson are asking very good questions and have a solid case. People should look into it themselves and make up their own minds. As Aaron Russo says in The Architecture of the Prison Planet, legit or not, they can put you in jail so we should definitely file if we want to avoid problems but we should also work to get rid of the Federal Reserve and the problem will go away which is why I think supporting Ron Paul is important.
The tax honesty movement say that there is no law and as far as I can tell, no one has been able to produce it. If you can produce the law, you should try to claim the $50,000 reward that the We the People Foundation is offering for anyone who can show a law that requires people to pay personal income tax. It has not been claimed yet and even IRS officers such as Sherry Peel Jackson tried.
Also I think that Joe Banister has a very solid case against the income tax. Watch his videos that I posted. He is a former IRS criminal investigation division special agent who investigated the IRS and resigned because of his discoveries plus he won in court against the IRS on this very issue.
Here's a very interesting videos about the illegality of the Income Tax by Irwin Schiff :
I'm no expert on this topic but I think this guy makes sense.
Here's one from Ron Paul on this subject:
willbucks wrote:
Just because it is out there in print or video does not mean it is true. It just means someone has given their view on it they way they see it.
I think it is more than that, these people back their claim with evidence, it's more than just opinions. I wish I had the time to look it up myself and verify their claims but from what I see, with all these credible people coming to the same conclusions, the evidence seems quite real. Also the fact the the IRS does not want to talk about the law is quite suspicious, they could easily discredit them if they were just babbling nonsense.
About Ron Paul being electorable or not, to me that doesn't matter and I think it should not be a reason to vote for or against someone... We shouldn't vote to win, or simply to try to pick the winner, an election is not some sport or competition. We should vote to support a candidate that we believe in, electorable or not. I'd much rather vote for someone I believe in that is not electorable than for someone that is likely to win but dislike.
I think Ron Paul has a very good chance if he keeps it up. He did raise over 5 millions in the last quarter and was the only one I think who improved on the previous quarter, and it was quite an improvement. His campaign is on the rise... I'm looking forward to the see what happens next, he now has the money to compete
...But a wealthy nation, grown soft on the prosperity produced by a previously free generation, tends to vote for that individual who promises the biggest piece of the pie to his constituents. Ironically the prosperity that comes from a free society is the fuel that feeds the fire which brings on the demise of that society. Materially we are much better off today than people were in 1776, but our philosophy of freedom is in much worse shape...
Ron Paul wrote:
We cannot live forever off the wealth of a previous generation and we cannot enjoy the benefits of liberty if we neither understand nor defend that liberty.
Ron Paul wrote:
The year 1913 certainly was a banner year for the anti-constitutional movement. The Sixteenth Amendment, the Personal Income Tax, and the Federal Reserve Act were all passed. The central bank monopoly guaranteed the destruction of our gold dollar. The recessions, depressions, and inflations of the twentieth century can be laid at the doorstep of the Federal Reserve.
Ron Paul wrote:
To the majority of Americans, the concept of responsibility for one's own actions, has been replaced by the belief that someone else must pay those who demand a handout. The manufacturer of a microwave oven was held liable for damages after a woman's cat died when she placed it in the oven to dry its hair -- because there was no warning label on the oven! Can you imagine what Thomas Paine's reaction might have been to such an absurdity?
It is inconceivable that the Constitution was intended to protect life and property in this manner. Today a defect in a product is not required for a successful suit, only the claim that an accident could have been prevented by a specific warning.
Common sense is no longer recognized as something we should expect people to use. Common greed is now the norm in a society that accepts the welfare ethic as a constitutional standard.
Man this book is full of great quotable content lol, just read it...
I like Ron Paul more every day.
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You know I love you and what you are doing....but.
The IRS Tax is legit. The code is a law passed by congress. If you
do any search you will see this. Pushing the agenda that it is not
could give people the false hope that they do not have to pay taxes.
This is false. It is a law and you do have to pay it.
For those of you who doubt it just do a search on google and you
will find references to the actual passages. Or pm me and I will send
you a link that spells out the law in laymans terms.
As far as the federal reserve, I could not find anything to dispute what you have posted.
I applaud you for enlightinng us on a topic that most people choose to be
ignorant about.
Sadly, I do not think Ron Paul has the backing or is "electable" enough to
make a run for the presidency. He has put forth a great platform.
I do not agree with all of his ideas and would probably not vote for him
based on some really strong issues we disagree on.
On the other hand I am really afraid of the front runners currently. They
are so politically motivated by a very corrupt system. Edwards is trying to
seperate himself from this view. But is he really any different?
They will be in the front running because the big business guys above want
them to, because they pad their pockets in order to keep them there.
Media is run by the big money and they will tell us exactly what we need
to know in order to elect who they want elected.
And for the most part the Media is very liberal and not unbiased.
Therefore you have to be objective in everything you read and see.
Just because it is out there in print or video does not mean it is true. It just
means someone has given their view on it they way they see it.
I may not agree with the current course of things, but I have been on the
inside in the past and there are many things we do not
now. There are many secrets kept from the general public.
Truth be told, I think most of us Americans are pretty discouraged by the
fact that we are living under a pseudo dictatorship and don't have a clue
how to really change it.
Your overall message is true though. There is corruption and control by
the few and somehow, someway we the people need to dig it out and get
rid of it.
Just my opinion,
Will
No Will, you do not have to pay it, but you Can if you want to. It's called extorsion, Go read the definition. It is also called Fraud, go read Blacks Law on the subject, it sounds like it was written for the IRS.
If you want to pay the extorsion, go ahead, but show me the Law that says I have to. There is none. You obviously have not studied the actual Law and code as seen in your opinion.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
The IRS, with the help of the DOJ and the federal courts, is an extortion machine. All the tapdancing they do about "law" is nothing more than a show they put on to try to give the impression that what they do is somehow legal, and therefore legitimate. But they don't care one bit about the law. They care about getting money, whether people owe it or not, and they will use any means -legal or not- to destroy those who don't pay the "protection" fee. They will try to hurt you if you don't comply, and afterwards fabricate some legal excuse for why it was okay for them to do so.
Vernice Kuglin, Tommy Cryer and an ex-IRS employee, Joseph Bannister, got thru to the jury and were found not guilty. Why do we have to take this matter to court to be found not guilty of something we did not have to do in the first place? The Courts logic is to pay the extorsion and then ask for a refund. HUH?
Hey Will, go collect the $50,000 reward for finding the law that says I have to file a 1040. (P.S. Without a 1040, there is nothing to audit!)
"The code is a law passed by congress." HA HA HA HA, You know nothing about law by saying that.
With no income tax / Federal Reserve and if the inflation of the US currency is stopped as Ron Paul wants, I don't think there will be any problems with gas prices.
jrbeaman wrote:
Voting for Ron Paul is like voting for Ross Perot, it guarantees a Clinton in the whitehouse.
I'm not so sure about that; Ron Paul is a master debater. If he gets the Republican nomination and debates Hillary on National TV, I don't see how she could win.
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With no income tax / Federal Reserve and if the inflation of the US currency is stopped as Ron Paul wants, I don't think there will be any problems with gas prices.
jrbeaman wrote:
Voting for Ron Paul is like voting for Ross Perot, it guarantees a Clinton in the whitehouse.
I'm not so sure about that; Ron Paul is a master debater. If he gets the Republican nomination and debates Hillary on National TV, I don't see how she could win.
Maybe I'm overly optimistic but what can I say, that's my nature
Optimisim doesn't replace facts. No Income tax and no Fed has nothing to do with the price of Gas. Middle east stability does.
Everyone says the Iraq war is about oil, and they are right, but it has nothing to do with Bush's oil buddies, it has to do with the American people's voratious appetite for energy. Untill we can wean ourelves off of oil, our economy is dependant on it, and stability in the region is paramount. The gulf war started by Saddam trying to comandeer Kuates oil, and that war aint over yet. (We didn't "attack Iraq" it is a continuation into Bagdad because Saddam violated the ceasefire requirements.)
Now the radical Islamists are going after the "decadence of the west" which includes the USA. (Thanks to Clinton) Without a victory in Iraq, we are hosed because everything gets delivered on oil (gasolene) so all our prices will skyrocket if we pull out. Ross is nieve if he doesn't see that.
The only way Ron Paul can get congress to approve "no more IRS" is to substitute the income tax (which we don't really have to pay anyway) with a flat or vat tax. Maybe a national sales tax. In any case we need to educate the people about the income tax, and make sure there is no replacement as the tax and spenders need to wean themselves of all OUR money too. We never needed that tax and still don't. It pays for nothing we get from the government.
Like I said, a vote for Ron Paul means you agree with his ignorance, and insures another Clinton in the whitehouse and higher taxes and more government control.
True, it has noting to do with gas prices, but has everything to do with people's ability to pay which must count in the balance.
Here's Ron Paul's stance on the oil price issue back in 2005
Ron Paul wrote:
Many Americans understandably are upset with the sharp spike in gas prices since Hurricane Katrina hit the gulf coast in August, and are concerned by reports of oil company profits. But we must understand that high oil prices are not the result of an unregulated free market. On the contrary, the oil industry is among the most regulated and most subsidized of U.S. industries. Perhaps we need to ask ourselves whether too much government involvement in the oil markets, rather than too little regulation, has kept the supply of refined gasoline artificially low.
Consider Marathon Oil, which operates a refinery in Texas City. Marathon recently announced the construction of new refinery that will bring several hundred thousand barrels of oil online every day – which is exactly what the nation needs. But building a new refinery is a daunting task that requires billions of dollars in capital investment. The process of obtaining federal permits alone can take several years. As a result, we won’t see a drop of refined gasoline from the new Marathon facility until 2009.
Federal subsidies and regulations are largely responsible for limiting the supply of refined gasoline in this country. The demand for gasoline has risen dramatically in America due to population growth in recent decades, but virtually no new refining capacity has been added. Basic economics tells us that rising demand and a fixed supply will lead to higher prices. No amount of congressional grandstanding about price gouging will change this economic reality. We must increase domestic exploration, drilling, and refining if we hope to maintain reasonable gas prices. We need more competition, which means we need less government.
Most Americans agree that the American economy should not be dependent upon Middle East oil. Economist George Reisman, however, explains that our own domestic regulations make us slaves to OPEC: “Today, it is possible once again to bring about a dramatic fall in the price of oil – indeed, one even larger than occurred in the 1980s. And it could begin right away. All that is necessary is to abolish the U.S. government’s restrictions on domestic energy production inspired by the environmentalist movement.”
Reisman also explains how abolishing restrictions on coal production, natural gas production, and nuclear power would further reduce the OPEC stranglehold. By increasing the supply of these other energy sources, demand for oil would decrease and prices would drop.
Note that much of the support for unrealistic environmental regulations comes from northeastern politicians and media, who weren’t nearly as interested in oil fortunes when the business hit rock bottom in the 1980s. Texas and the gulf coast have always been willing to supply the nation’s energy, and it’s a bit disingenuous to hear criticism from those who are happy to use oil but don’t want refineries in their backyards.
Oil is critical, but it is not a magic commodity that somehow is immune from the laws of economics. In fact, it is precisely because oil is so critical to our economy that we must allow the free market to deliver it. Absent government interference in the oil markets, gas prices would rise or fall according to concrete realities affecting supply and demand. High prices would encourage conservation better than any environmental regulations. Entrepreneurs would race to develop viable alternate fuels if gas prices rose too much.
Centralized government planning, on the other hand, cannot solve our energy dilemmas. The Nixon-era price controls on gasoline in the 1970s produced nothing but disastrous shortages. By contrast, the Reagan administration’s immediate deregulation of the oil industry resulted in an unprecedented boom in oil production and a dramatic reduction in prices. This is the lesson we must remember.
What can Congress do to provide Americans with some relief at the pump? First it can suspend federal gas taxes, which would save consumers nearly 20 cents per gallon. In the long term, Congress must pass legislation like HR 4004, which I introduced earlier this month. HR 4004 takes a comprehensive approach by allowing offshore drilling, eliminating regulations that restrict refining, and suspending harmful tax rules that discourage domestic oil production. If we hope to have a stable, affordable supply of gas, we must allow the free market to operate.
November 1, 2005
As far as the Iraq war being about oil, There's some truth to it but I don't think war will bring stability, conflict only bring about chaos, peace create stability. According to Ron Paul, the Iraq war is about currency. When Saddam stopped accepting US dollars for his oil, he became the enemy, US Invaded, got rid of him and restored the dominance of the US currency.
Watch this video where Ron Paul talks about this, very interesting video.
jrbeaman wrote:
The only way Ron Paul can get a "no more IRS" is to substitute the income tax (which we don't really have to pay) with a flat or vat tax. Maybe a national sales tax.
Yes Ron Paul stated he'd go for a flat tax but make it real flat, like zero Watch the video where's he's interviewed by Jay Leno. He doesn't want to replace the Income tax with anything.
I would not say Ron Paul is ignorant, he seems to be the most knoledgable presidential candidate of the bunch. Any other candidate would bring about higher taxes and more government control. The way I see it he is the ONLY alternative to that.
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True, it has noting to do with gas prices, but has everything to do with people's ability to pay which must count in the balance.
Here's Ron Paul's stance on the oil price issue back in 2005
Ron Paul wrote:
...
What can Congress do to provide Americans with some relief at the pump? First it can suspend federal gas taxes, which would save consumers nearly 20 cents per gallon. In the long term, Congress must pass legislation like HR 4004, which I introduced earlier this month. HR 4004 takes a comprehensive approach by allowing offshore drilling, eliminating regulations that restrict refining, and suspending harmful tax rules that discourage domestic oil production. If we hope to have a stable, affordable supply of gas, we must allow the free market to operate.
November 1, 2005
As far as the Iraq war being about oil, There's some truth to it but I don't think war will bring stability, conflict only bring about chaos, peace create stability. According to Ron Paul, the Iraq war is about currency. When Saddam stopped accepting US dollars for his oil, he became the enemy, US Invaded, got rid of him and restored the dominance of the US currency.
jrbeaman wrote:
The only way Ron Paul can get a "no more IRS" is to substitute the income tax (which we don't really have to pay) with a flat or vat tax. Maybe a national sales tax.
Yes Ron Paul stated he'd go for a flat tax but make it real flat, like zero Watch the video where's he's interviewed by Jay Leno. He doesn't want to replace the Income tax with anything.
I would not say Ron Paul is ignorant, he seems to be the most knoledgable presidential candidate of the bunch. Any other candidate would bring about higher taxes and more government control. The way I see it he is the ONLY alternative to that.
True, Aaron Russo was a true patriot, may he rest in peace!
Arron did his own research instead of listining to all the pundants. Too bad more voters and tax payers don't do the same.
Ron Paul cannot win, even if we all feel it is a good vote toward what we all want. It only insures a Clinton, as I said.
If Ron gets a zero flat tax, the congress will have a legal loophole to change the value up from zero. That shows nievity. So does pulling out of Iraq immediately.. The rest is irrelevant.
Ron Paul is indeed smarter than most candidates, he is just ignorant on world affairs and the effect on our economy.
We need to open up our own oil NOW, because of the lag, but congress will wait till the last minute, making us all suffer for a decade before it has any affect. AND we have to continue winning in Iraq or we are truly screwed for decades.
The people can't pay for gas when the price of everything else goes up too. What about those on fixed incomes? What about all those on the dole? We all get to subsidize their raises too so there aint much left. The point is that it raises all prices, not just gas. That is the base.
Sorry, but the Iraq war was started by Saddam over oil, and it still is, not that money trivia.
The government will never drop the federal gas tax, it gives them control of the states, bypassing many states rights to feed their hunger for power and control.
If HR 4004 will get this started, then campain heavy for it.
I am pretty sure that Dr. Paul's comment about the flat tax was a joke, he wouldn't create a $0 flat tax, that would be ridiculous. This was on Jay Leno after all which is a comedy show. He has stated in other videos that he didn't want to replace it with anything.
We seem to be in agreement on a lot of the issues but I must respectfully disagree with you on others.
I don't think Saddam "started" the Iraq war over oil. Please watch the video that I posted. Ron Paul makes a lot of sense on this issue and backs his claims quite well. To me Ron Paul appears to be VERY knowledgable on world affairs and the economy.
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I am pretty sure that Dr. Paul's comment about the flat tax was a joke, he wouldn't create a $0 flat tax, that would be ridiculous. This was on Jay Leno after all which is a comedy show. He has stated in other videos that he didn't want to replace it with anything.
I hope it was a joke.
My other problem with Ron is his apparent secumbing to the IRS and Incometax situation as it is now. He sounded very weak on that.
I know he says he wants to abolish it, but that is also nieve. The IRS serves a lot of usefull purposes,
it's just the abuse of the income tax that needs to be stopped.
danny wrote:
We seem to be in agreement on a lot of the issues but I must respectfully disagree with you on others.
I have done a lot of research, and like Russo,
I believe the facts outweigh the pundents that you seem to quote.
danny wrote:
I don't think Saddam "started" the Iraq war over oil. Please watch the video that I posted. Ron Paul makes a lot of sense on this issue and backs his claims quite well. To me Ron Paul appears to be VERY knowledgable on world affairs and the economy.
Not if he wants to pull us out 100% on day one in office.
That would be a huge disaster for the whole world.
THAT is world-affairs-ignorant proof.
Uh, Iraq attacked Kuate for their oil wells and their sea port.
There was a cease fire as we were going into Bagdad.
When Saddam violated 16 UN resolutions required to maintain the ceasefire,
it was dropped, and the coillition continued into Bagdad, the current war in Iraq.
danny wrote:
And I don't see how Ron Paul only insures a Clinton win. I mean any other Republican candidate would insure that a whole lot more.
The same way Ross Perot got Clinton into office, he took votes away from Bush Sr.
If he hadn't run as an independant, Bush Sr would have won. and we wouldn't have had 9/11.
yeah it was a joke, Jay Leno was asking what he'd replace it with and stated examples such as the flat tax and Ron said he's leaning toward a flat tax etc... it was his way of saying he'd replace it with nothing.
jrbeaman wrote:
I know he says he wants to abolish it, but that is also nieve. The IRS serves a lot of usefull purposes, it's just the abuse of the income tax that needs to be stopped.
Hmm if there were no Income Tax there wouldn't be much need to collect / enforce it no? What other uses the would the IRS serve? A lot of money would be saved by simply abolishing it.
jrbeaman wrote:
I have done a lot of research, and like Russo, I believe the facts outweigh the pundents that you seem to quote.
Well if you have facts to share that discredit Ron Paul's claims, I'm open to check it out, the only guy I'm quoting here is Ron Paul.
jrbeaman wrote:
Not if he wants to pull us out 100% on day one in office. That would be a huge disaster for the whole world. THAT is world-affairs-ignorant proof.
Uh, Iraq attacked Kuate for their oil wells and their sea port. There was a cease fire as we were going into Bagdad. When Saddam violated 16 UN resolutions required to maintain the ceasefire, it was dropped, and the coillition continued into Bagdad, the current war in Iraq.
So the United States should be the policemen of the world? Wherever there's trouble, America should intervene? This was not an attack on America neither a threath to it, it was not a defensive war. Seems like this whole mess was unconstitutional.
Honnestly, I'm a bit divided on the war issue. If Ron paul brings America back to the way that it is suposed to be and lead by example, it may become a beacon for freedom and prosperity once again to the rest of the world. Heck I'm Canadian and I'm supporting him more than I have ever supported any of my own politicians! But at the same time, I'm fully aware of the fanaticism and irrationality of the middle-east... Now that America IS in Iraq, I'm not sure what impact backing off would have. Would they see that as a sign of weakness and would that motivate them to keep fighting or would they come to respect what Ron Paul does and calm down? I'm inclined to believe that they would calm down as I don't think that most muslims have a grudge against the american people but against the current administration and their interventionist policy. I tend to believe that Ron Paul's vision of a true free market and his policy of non-intervention would solve a lot of the problems... I don't see how conquering Iraq, Iran and others would reduce terrorism and bring about peace. I am more concerned about the loss of liberties right now than terrorists because it creates an environment that encourages more terrorism. People always have and always will resist and fight oppression.
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[quote="danny"]yeah it was a joke, Jay Leno was asking what he'd replace it with and stated examples such as the flat tax and Ron said he's leaning toward a flat tax etc... it was his way of saying he'd replace it with nothing.
jrbeaman wrote:
I know he says he wants to abolish it, but that is also nieve. The IRS serves a lot of usefull purposes, it's just the abuse of the income tax that needs to be stopped.
danny wrote:
Hmm if there were no Income Tax there wouldn't be much need to collect / enforce it no? What other uses the would the IRS serve? A lot of money would be saved by simply abolishing it.
Maybe you didn't get the part about "The IRS does More than Income tax".
jrbeaman wrote:
I have done a lot of research, and like Russo, I believe the facts outweigh the pundents that you seem to quote.
danny wrote:
Well if you have facts to share that discredit Ron Paul's claims, I'm open to check it out, the only guy I'm quoting here is Ron Paul.
Did Russo only listen to Ron Pauls opinion? Or did he also do his own research? If all you do is take Ron Pauls word for all of this, without realizing the big picture, you will become a Ron Paul worshiper like the Utube croud. Find out the long range and global ramifications to see if Ron Pauls ideas might be faulty. Don't just believe his election sales pitch.
jrbeaman wrote:
Not if he wants to pull us out 100% on day one in office. That would be a huge disaster for the whole world. THAT is world-affairs-ignorant proof.
Uh, Iraq attacked Kuate for their oil wells and their sea port. There was a cease fire as we were going into Bagdad. When Saddam violated 16 UN resolutions required to maintain the ceasefire, it was dropped, and the coillition continued into Bagdad, the current war in Iraq.
danny wrote:
So the United States should be the policemen of the world? Wherever there's trouble, America should intervene? This was not an attack on America, it was not a defensive war. Seems like this whole mess was unconstitutional.
Kuate was a friend, and we stopped a bully attacking our oil supplies. How is that "Unconstitutional?" You can't allow people like Saddam to do that. It would be disasterous for our economy, so we were protecting that.
danny wrote:
Honnestly, I'm a bit divided on the war issue. If Ron paul brings America back to the way that it is suposed to be and lead by example, it may become a beacon for freedom and prosperity once again to the rest of the world. Heck I'm Canadian and I'm supporting him more than I have ever supported any of my own politicians! But at the same time, I'm fully aware of the fanaticism of the middle-east... Now that America IS in Iraq, I'm not sure what impact backing off would have. Would they see that as a sign of weakness and would that motivate them to keep fighting or would they come to respect what Ron Paul does and calm down? I'm inclined to believe that they would calm down as I don't think that most muslims have a grudge against the american people but against the current administration and their interventionist policy. I tend to believe that Ron Paul's vision of a true free market and his policy of non-intervention would solve a lot of the problems... I don't see how conquering Iraq, Iran and others would reduce terrorism and bring about peace. I am more concerned about the loss of liberties right now than terrorists because it creates an environment that encourages more terrorism. People always have and always will resist and fight oppression.
Is peace even possible?
Ron Paul cannot do all he says. It sounds nice, but is not practicle, nor feasable with those he would have to work with in Washington. His ideas are too Pollyanish. I am not saying thaty aren't good ideas, just that he looks foolish if he thinks he can do them. Like Russo said, they are indicative of a good direction, but he can never get elected on them as most realize he is unelectable. If he gets people thinking, and pressuring their representitives on these issues, there is hope for us yet.
Radical Muslems do not hate us for interviening in Iraq. That is political bullshit. They hate the decadence of the western culture that is influencing their religious followers. We wern't interviening anywhere on 9/11. 9/11 was when their decadence issues were capped off by Bill Clinton getting a blow job in the whitehouse. Any corporate Officer would have been fired for that. Bill Lost his law License and was impeached but still got to keep his job, and that is when the radical Muslims said enough is enough as it was also a reflection on the people that they approved of his decadence.
Since the Media, the lefties, and Acedemia , along with Ted kennedy and Nancy Palosi spew such hate towward our country, they have recruitment ammunition to build up their forces against us. (Treason?) That is why thie war in Iraq required the big push of late. And why the Iraqi people were afraid that we would pull out and leave them high and dry. They need to get their shit together, and they certainly won't if we look like we are going to abandon them.
All the hate Bush press is fueling their fight against us, just because their boy Al Gore wasnt elected.
Study all the pieces and see all the yeah-but issues when contemplating any idea, even the simple ones that Ron Paul has. You will find it may not be a good idea after all, because of the fallout.
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