Did Russo only listen to Ron Pauls opinion? Or did he also do his own research? If all you do is take Ron Pauls word for all of this, without realizing the big picture, you will become a Ron Paul worshiper like the Utube croud. Find out the long range and global ramifications to see if Ron Pauls ideas might be faulty. Don't just believe his election sales pitch.
I do not base my opinion on Ron Paul alone, I've been looking into this quite a bit as well. I am no expert on all of this of course but I tend to agree with Ron Paul's principled constitutional positions and admire his integrity, courage and honesty. He is demonstrating very strong leadership qualities which is exactly what is needed in my opinion. As you will see in the two videos that I posted below, not all of them are election sales pitches. It seems to me that, like Aaron Russo, Ron Paul also did his own research and knows what he is talking about.
jrbeaman wrote:
Kuate was a friend, and we stopped a bully attacking our oil supplies. How is that "Unconstitutional?" You can't allow people like Saddam to do that. It would be disasterous for our economy, so we were protecting that.
Ok, fine and all... but this war came to an end. the current invasion of iraq was sold on the basis of nuclear weapons, it was basically a response to 9/11 and all the reasons given to support that war turned out to be false.
"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliances with none." ~ Thomas Jefferson
jrbeaman wrote:
Radical Muslems do not hate us for interviening in Iraq. That is political bullshit. They hate the decadence of the western culture that is influencing their religious followers. We wern't interviening anywhere on 9/11. 9/11 was when their decadence issues were capped off by Bill Clinton getting a blow job in the whitehouse. Any corporate Officer would have been fired for that. Bill Lost his law License and was impeached but still got to keep his job, and that is when the radical Muslims said enough is enough as it was also a reflection on the people that they approved of his decadence.
Wow, 9/11 happened because Bill got a blow job?! Come on, you can't be serious... Let me quote Bin Laden himself: "Security is an important pillar of human life. Free people do not relinquish their security... We fought you because we are free and do not accept injustice. We want to restore freedom to our nation. Just as you waste our security, we will waste your security... This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom... Let him tell us why we did not strike Sweden, for example." Source. I don't believe that they hate America because of the suposedly immoral behavior of its population, they hate "American interference in the nations of the world."
It is true that pulling troops out of Iraq quickly could make things difficult for Iraqis but that would probably only be temporary. The insurgents are fighting against American ocupation so if America leaves, things would probably stabilize. It can't get much worse than it is now anyways. This conflict will never end, America will go broke trying to force peace in the region and that's when the enemy will strike again. I think Ron Paul is right when he says that it was a mistake to go in Iraq. Remember that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
Here are two very interesting Ron Paul speeches on this topic that I highly recommend you watch.
Ron paul on the Iraq and Iran conflict (2006)
NeoCONNED (2003)
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Kuate was a friend, and we stopped a bully attacking our oil supplies.
How is that "Unconstitutional?" You can't allow people like Saddam to do that.
It would be disasterous for our economy, so we were protecting that.
Ok, fine and all... but this war came to an end. the current invasion of
iraq was sold on the basis of nuclear weapons, it was basically a response
to 9/11 and all the reasons given to support that war turned out to be false.
The war was not ended. There was a conditional cease-fire.
The invasion of Iraq was already in progress in response to Kuate.
The invasion of Bagdad was a continuation of that war, still is.
9/11 had nothing to do with this continuation into bagdad. No one ever said it was.
Only a single small part of the WMD issue was nuclear weapons.
"all the reasons given to support that war turned out to be false"
is a huge lie. Most all turned out to be true. Some hard to prove,
other findings were swept under the rug by the media.
All of this indicates that you are basing your position on false data.
If all of what you said was actually true, I might agree with you. An
example is your claim that our support of Kuate was "unConstitutional".
Now people will quote you and base their conclusions on that. A disservice.
We have treaties, and security interests. This region is one of them.
You have to rethink your logic after you resolve all the misinformation.
That is an arduous process, but when done over and over as your information
gets better, you will see, like Russo, that 90% of what the "people" believe,
and parrot, is pure political bullshit.
jrbeaman wrote:
Radical Muslems do not hate us for interviening in Iraq.
That is political bullshit. They hate the decadence of the western culture
that is influencing their religious followers. We wern't interviening
anywhere on 9/11. 9/11 was when their decadence issues were capped off
by Bill Clinton getting a blow job in the whitehouse. Any corporate Officer
would have been fired for that. Bill Lost his law License and was impeached
but still got to keep his job, and that is when the radical Muslims said
enough is enough as it was also a reflection on the people that they approved
of his decadence.
danny wrote:
Wow, 9/11 happened because Bill got a blow job?! Come on, you can't be serious...
Let me quote Bin Laden himself: "Security is an important pillar of human life. Free people
do not relinquish their security... We fought you because we are free and do not accept injustice.
We want to restore freedom to our nation. Just as you waste our security, we will waste your
security... This is contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom... Let him tell us why we did
not strike Sweden, for example." Source. I don't believe that they hate America because
of the suposedly immoral behavior of its population, they hate "American interference in the nations of the world."
It is true that pulling troops out of Iraq quickly could make things difficult for Iraqis but that would probably only be temporary. The insurgents are fighting against American ocupation so if America leaves, things would probably stabilize. It can't get much worse than it is now anyways. This conflict will never end, America will go broke trying to force peace in the region and that's when the enemy will strike again. I think Ron Paul is right when he says that it was a mistake to go in Iraq. Remember that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
Pulling the troops out would be a world-wide disaster. It would not be temporary, it would last for hundreds of years.
We are NOT occupying Iraq any more than we were Occupying Japan after that war. Again parroting false information to be quoted.
I can get both worse and/or better. Why do you say such a thing? It all depends on if we collectivly try and win, or stay divided and almost guarantee an expensive loss, like Viet Nam. Hanoi was ready to surrender when the polititions demanded that Nixon pull us out, and you see the results. Viet Nam was a mistake, Iraq is not.
America will not go broke because of this war unless we pull out.
It was not a mistake to continue the Gulf war, and dispose of Saddam, just like we all should have disposed of Hitler, and for many of the same reaons.
The Mistake was letting the polititions meddle with the process, and Rumsfields serious blunders. We have to continue and win. Period.
All these people saying we should get out are only embolding our enemy.
I didn't say that 9/11 happened because of the blowjob. Read it again.
There was a whole series of events that led up to it.I said it was the straw that broke the camels back.
Bin Ladens people are not "free" so his statement is hipocrasy. Bin Laden is a liar. Quoting him is foolish.
Bush was right. Radical Muslems hate "freedom". And that is why they hate the western cultures. Freedom means the Mullahs lose their control of their peoples indoctrinations.
The media will do everything is can to make the people think Bin Ladin is right, and Bush is wrong,
that is why they publish this tripe. (Aiding the enemy in a time of war = treason.)
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Too many isolated "sound-bites" here.
If this was not a complex situation, then most people would understand the truth.
Unfortunately everything seems to be out of context, and nothing is taken considering the source.
Where did anyone say that the attack on Bagdad was because of 9/11?
Really! Show me. You cannot. Then, if this is a lie, why do you
continue to repeate it, use it as basis for your claims, and provide
material for others to quote?
That is all political bullshit and a lies that you are propagating.
The WMD were found, but the media suppressed all findings. 70% of the WMD were shipped to Syria
and 20% to Iran because we announced to the world we were going into Bagdad, giving Saddam plenty
of time to dispose/hide them. The rest we found, but was hardly ever reported anywhere because
the "reporters" hate Bush and will do anything to compromise his presidency even to the detriment
of our own country.
When Bill Clinton attacked Surbia, there was no UN sanction, not congressional approval.
No one complained, and the news media didn't make a big thing about it. But Bush was
hounded into UN approval, and Congressional meddling and announcing our security info
to the world so Sadam had 6 months to hide all the WMD while we showed everyone our evidence.
You cannot fight war by committie. That is why the president has that power, as Clinton did
with Surbia. When the press required Bush to expose our info, we showed our hand.
Don't mix 9/11 and Iraq. the processes, reasons, and sequence of events are almost totally different,
and only share some minutely similar facts of justification. To claim so is a disservice to our country.
I know you mean well, but 50% of your basis is false info.
90% of what you believe is best is great,
but half that is not feasable without prerequisite changes first.
Don't give up the fight, Just be more careful what and how you say stuff.
Oh, and get John Bolton's book "Surrender Is Not an Option" and read it.
lol man you are really dragging me into this whole war argument
First, I don't have all the answers. As I stated, I didn't have the time to research all the facts and study hundreds of years of history. As I said, I'm a bit divided on this complex issue. As far as I can tell, both philosophies seem to have advantages and disadvantages...
From what I've seen so far... The USA has been active in the middle east for a quite a long time; since before 9/11. This meddling in their affairs has caused the resentment that led to 9/11 and thus the current war on terrorism began. That's the point were at now... what should the US do from there?
1. The current administration's position seems to be to intensify their presence and conquer all resistance and gain control of the region through force. First Iraq, then Iran, then who? It looks to me like this conflict will last a very long time and won't do anything to appease the resentment of the Muslims. In the meantime, back in the states, individual liberties are lost and a police state is rising to protect the population from those Islamic protesters / terrorists.
The downside of all that is obviously the loss of freedom in the states and the long conflict ahead. The upside is that it may very well be the only way to fight the extremists who are obsessed with their holy Jihad. I am fully aware of the irrationality of these people, their rampage against the Mohamed drawings illustrate that clearly. They even went as far as to put a price on the head of the author of such drawings! killing people over a drawing!!!! This illustrate how fanatical religious belief can lead to total insanity and how dangerous religion can be. I fully understand the need to fight these extremists and why you might be opposed to Paul's position but remember that Ron Paul did vote to go against Al Qaeda.
2. Ron Paul's position, as far as I understand it, is to stop all foreign intervention, bring all the troops home, secure the borders, have America mind its own business, free the population from Income Tax slavery and thus allow them to keep the fruits of their labor, restore and protect the constitution and the freedoms of the population and follow the advice of the founders of the country - "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliances with none."
His views in my opinion has the potential to appease the resentment of the insurgents and even befriend them. This would lower the risks of terrorism a great deal. America could become free and prosperous again and that would promote the benefits of freedom to the rest of the world a whole lot more than military dictation ever could. The risk is... Would the extremist fanatics still want to follow through with their holy Jihad and continue their war for the domination of Islam over the world? Would they find more excuses to continue their crusade against Western values? They most definitely have their share of responsibility and blame in this conflict.
Personally I lean towards the vision of Ron Paul because I think it is much more likely to succeed and more likely to create an environment suitable for peace. His message is already reaching Muslims around the world and they seem quite receptive to him. Ron Paul as president would probably be able to reach out to them and reason with them. Mindsets are changed through understanding, not force of arms. But then again, maybe they will continue to challenge Western values and continue to cause problems.
So, yeah I'm divided on the issue, would the use of force ever completely eliminate terrorism? Would Ron Paul's vision completely eliminate it? I honesty don't know... but my personal opinion is that what is really important is freedom, financial independence, morality and integrity. That's what all nations should strive for and that's what Ron Paul is all about so I support him because I support those principles and his message.
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jrbeaman wrote:
We are NOT occupying Iraq any more than we were Occupying Japan after that war. Again parroting false information to be quoted.
Have you seen the gigantic embassy that is being built in Baghdad? They'll destroy it when they leave? Remember Bush has said that they invaded to liberate people from Saddam and wouldn't stay.
jrbeaman wrote:
The war was not ended. There was a conditional cease-fire. The invasion of Iraq was already in progress in response to Kuate. The invasion of Bagdad was a continuation of that war, still is.
9/11 had nothing to do with this continuation into bagdad. No one ever said it was.
I didn't say they claimed 9/11 had anything to do with it, What I meant is that the hysteria that the 9/11 attacks caused certainly was used to promote/justify this war.
wikipedia wrote:
Some U.S. officials cited claims of a connection between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda[47]. No evidence of any operational or collaborative relationship with al-Qaeda has been found.[48]
jrbeaman wrote:
Only a single small part of the WMD issue was nuclear weapons."all the reasons given to support that war turned out to be false"
is a huge lie. Most all turned out to be true. Some hard to prove,
other findings were swept under the rug by the media.
wikipedia wrote:
In January 2005, the Iraq Survey Group concluded that Iraq had ended its WMD programs in 1991 and had no WMD at the time of the invasion; although some misplaced or abandoned remnants of pre-1991 production were found, US Government spokespeople confirmed that these were not the weapons for which the US "went to war". The weapons for which the US and coalition partners invaded have not been found.
jrbeaman wrote:
All of this indicates that you are basing your position on false data.
If all of what you said was actually true, I might agree with you. An
example is your claim that our support of Kuate was "unConstitutional".
Now people will quote you and base their conclusions on that. A disservice.
Was it? Please tell me how it was constitutional. Was there a declaration of war against Iraq?
wikipedia wrote:
...These weapons, it was argued, posed a threat to the United States, its allies and interests...
What about the no entangling alliance part?
jrbeaman wrote:
It can get both worse and/or better. Why do you say such a thing? It all depends on if we collectivly try and win, or stay divided and almost guarantee an expensive loss, like Viet Nam. Hanoi was ready to surrender when the polititions demanded that Nixon pull us out, and you see the results. Viet Nam was a mistake, Iraq is not.
It doesn't depend on if we try and win, it depends on what is done to win. This is not a black and white issue, there are uncertainties, it is not sure that if the current course of action is maintained that it will ultimately work.
jrbeaman wrote:
Bin Ladens people are not "free" so his statement is hipocrasy. Bin Laden is a liar. Quoting him is foolish.
I'm pretty sure he means free from American influence / intervention. Quoting him isn't foolish, you claim he attacked because of western freedoms and Bill getting a blow job. That is foolish... You should listen to what Michael Scheuer, the former head analyst at the CIA’s bin Laden unit has to say about this.
jrbeaman wrote:
The media will do everything is can to make the people think Bin Ladin is right, and Bush is wrong, that is why they publish this tripe. (Aiding the enemy in a time of war = treason.)
The media is pro neocon / war, this is nonsense. If this was true, they would all be backing Ron Paul but they are constantly trying to ignore / discredit him.
jrbeaman wrote:
Don't give up the fight, Just be more careful what and how you say stuff.
You are right, I probably should have been a bit more careful about how I said some things in my last few replies, I've been very short on free time lately so I replied quickly. _________________ *´¨) Your partner in success
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lol man you are really dragging me into this whole war argument
I do it because it seems to be a key factor in Ron Paul's Agenda. And, you are promoting him.
Yeah, I do a lot of research and have for many years. It can be time consuming, and many don't have, or want to spend that much time, so they rely on others opinions, hopefully factual. Unfortunately many have agendas that are only in their own interest. That is why I mentioned Russo. He had no political agenda, and neither do I. I believe the facts must prevail over opinion, and political or financial agenda. Unfortunately this is difficult to detect, but when it is the big media, politicians, universities, and Hollywood say anything, I find it to be quite ridiculous. Unfortunately, most people seem to believe their tripe.
We have been involved in the Middle East for decades, protecting our interests, and trying to help maintain a balance of power to insure stability, because instability effects the price of oil, and our economy, seriously. It is nothing new.
The US is not trying to gain control. They are trying to get the countries in the region to control the radicals for their own peace as well as our reliance on them. We don't conquer nations, like Saddam did. We liberate them. Go ask Japan, and Korea, and even Viet Nam. All the claims that it is our motive is historically proven to be a lie.
The war on terrorism will be a long war, and is difficult because there is no "country" or "borders" to fight. It has never been done before, and we are having to learn how to deal with this problem kindof as we go along. All countries and people are at risk here, not just the US. Look at Spain, where the train bombings changed their election and government orientation. Or England, who has had many terrorist attacks.
Our freedoms are not impacted as much as the media would like you to believe, as no one can site one single "innocent" persons arrest. It is a perceived infringement. Like increased legal gun ownership will make us unsafe. Actually the opposite has been proven to be true. And you also have to realize that we have had no terrorist attacks since 9/11 while many other countries have been devastated by them.
Stopping all foreign activities means we allow the rest of the world to succumb to the Jihad against modern progressive and stable regions. This will ruin Americas economy as we are too dependent on others for serious aspects of our way of life, such as oil. Getting involved is money well spent when you look at the down side of playing isolationists.
You want Ron Paul to appease the radical Muslims? How do you appease a rabid dog? A movement that wants to kill a cartoon artist?An appeaser is one who that feeds an alligator hoping it will eat him last. An appeaser for president? I think not.
The resentment is about the western way of life, and how it effects the Mullahs followers. It steals their peoples innocence and ignorance, so they hate it. That is their cause, to kill the decadence of the west. The US is only a part of the "western culture". The fact we are in the middle east trying to liberate Iraq, and winning at the moment, is considered "bad"?? Who ever says that doesn't see the big picture, or has an agenda that would be served, to the detriment to our countries safety and economy, to state differently.
Yeah, go try to appease a rabid pit bull. See how far it gets you. Even you admitted they would kill over a cartoon. How do you think they feel about porn on US television? Or violence in our rap music? Or a woman president?
Side note: Why eliminate the income tax? Why get rid of the IRS? What we need is for the people to realize that this code and the laws do not require us to pay, like most everyone does. What we need is education. We need the truth about it to become more commonplace than the success of the extortion and fear that everyone has for it. The 16th amendment is valid, as are all the Income tax laws and code. Like everything else, the people have heard the lies so much the believe it to be true. They listen to the pundits instead of finding out for them selves. They pay a tax not required by law. Unfortunately they are too scared or ignorant to do otherwise.
Yeah, the use of force is the ONLY way to suppress terrorism. Without it, you will give up all that you think is good, particularly your freedom and financial independence. Appeasement makes them stronger. That success breeds more of the same, and our media is helping them recruit more fighters in their bashing of Bush who has better economy numbers than Carter could dream of. History will show Bill Clinton to be our worst, and Carter in second place.
Ron Paul's ideas are great concepts, but you can't get there by quitting the fight against this kind of evil. History has proven that, many times over. The Jews appeased Hitler, look what happened to that situation.
Don't feed the alligator. Kick his ass. Maybe he will get the message to stop trying to eat you. Otherwise you may have to kill him, as your very survival depends on it. You also have to fight to win, unlike the politicians meddling did in Viet Nam.
Nothing wrong with an appeaser... Better to have someone who knows how to talk with people and reason with people than a bully that will beat you up and get your money. I support someone who will not alienate the rest of the world and will be able to deal honestly with people. Ron Paul as president does not necessarily mean the end of all oil trade.
jrbeaman wrote:
We have been involved in the Middle East for decades, protecting our interests, and trying to help maintain a balance of power to insure stability, because instability effects the price of oil, and our economy, seriously. It is nothing new.
And that is why 9/11 happened.
jrbeaman wrote:
Our freedoms are not impacted as much as the media would like you to believe, as no one can site one single "innocent" persons arrest. It is a perceived infringement. Like increased legal gun ownership will make us unsafe. Actually the opposite has been proven to be true. And you also have to realize that we have had no terrorist attacks since 9/11 while many other countries have been devastated by them.
Wait for it, it is coming... National Id Card, RFID chips etc... you like Aaron Russo and agree with his findings yet you stand against him? He exposed all of this stuff in great detail and he was an avid Ron Paul Supporter:
Aaron Russo wrote:
Dear AFTF Lovers of Liberty and Patriots,
Good news travels fast!
You may have heard that the Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is exploring running for the Republican nomination in 2008.
Congressman Paul will be the only uncompromising defender of the Constitution in the race.
I can't tell you how grateful I felt, how full of heartfelt joy, and how much enthusiasm I felt when I heard the news of his Candidacy. I am 1000% behind him!
Ron Paul has stepped up to the plate because he knows what we all know: the noose is tightening, and there isn't much time if we hope to restore to Constitutional Government.
I called Ron yesterday to tell him I am on board to do ANYTHING it takes to support his campaign.
NOW is the time for the ENTIRE Freedom Movement, all Third Parties, ALL GOOD AMERICANS EVERYWHERE, from all political stripes and persuasions, to unite to overtake the weakened Republican Party. Stand firmly behind Ron Paul, and work to restore our Constitutional Republic.
Do not let partisan politics get in the way. No matter what your Party affiliation, we must support Ron Paul as the Candidate.
Everything in the movie, America: Freedom to Fascism IS Ron Paul.
In my conversation with Congressman Paul, I told him I'll make copies of America: Freedom to Fascism available for his campaign. We will spread them far and wide.
What better way to introduce him to the public than for him to talk to them in their own living rooms?! What better way to help awaken them to governmental intrusions into their private lives than to see it in their own homes?
Congressman Ron Paul is the man with the strength to stay the course until Enemies, Foreign and Domestic, are put in their rightful place!
There isn't a better man for the job. He has an impeccable voting record. He is "right on," on Freedom and Sovereignty issues.
In a time of universal deceit, Congressman Paul dares to commit the revolutionary act of telling the truth. How refreshing!
But now the work begins.
Ron Paul needs not just our "affirmative nod," he needs our time, energy, financial contributions, and willingness to see him win. He needs us to use our precious accrued "vacation time" to go to New Hampshire to knock on doors, pass out AFTF DVDs, to be as dedicated to helping him win as he is to running the Race. His campaign must be organized District by District.
The entire AFTF Network must focus on helping Ron Paul. You have already awakened a lot of Americans to the dangers we face.
NOW, help me, won't you, as I do everything within my means to promote the only HONEST, Constitutional American in the 2008 Presidential race.
With the right Candidate and a passionate grassroots effort, it is possible to take over a weakened Republican Party. I've told you many times of how we overtook the Republican Party in my Gubernatorial race in Nevada. I KNOW it can be done!
Well, HERE is that Candidate!
NOW IS THE TIME to join with me and support Ron Paul.
I've seen you at work. You can do this. WE can do this!
I Am Most Sincerely Yours in Freedom,
Aaron Russo
Is Aaron Russo, the man you keep referring to as an example, naive too for supporting Ron Paul beliefs? _________________ *´¨) Your partner in success
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Nothing wrong with an appeaser... Better to have someone who knows how to talk with people and reason with people than a bully that will beat you up and get your money. I support someone who will not alienate the rest of the world and will be able to deal honestly with people. Ron Paul as president does not necessarily mean the end of all oil trade.
jrbeaman wrote:
We have been involved in the Middle East for decades, protecting our interests, and trying to help maintain a balance of power to insure stability, because instability effects the price of oil, and our economy, seriously. It is nothing new.
And that is why 9/11 happened.
jrbeaman wrote:
Our freedoms are not impacted as much as the media would like you to believe, as no one can site one single "innocent" persons arrest. It is a perceived infringement. Like increased legal gun ownership will make us unsafe. Actually the opposite has been proven to be true. And you also have to realize that we have had no terrorist attacks since 9/11 while many other countries have been devastated by them.
Wait for it, it is coming... National Id Card, RFID chips etc... you like Aaron Russo and agree with his findings yet you stand against him? He exposed all of this stuff in great detail and he was an avid Ron Paul Supporter:
Aaron Russo wrote:
Dear AFTF Lovers of Liberty and Patriots,
Good news travels fast!
You may have heard that the Honorable Congressman Ron Paul is exploring running for the Republican nomination in 2008.
Congressman Paul will be the only uncompromising defender of the Constitution in the race.
I can't tell you how grateful I felt, how full of heartfelt joy, and how much enthusiasm I felt when I heard the news of his Candidacy. I am 1000% behind him!
Ron Paul has stepped up to the plate because he knows what we all know: the noose is tightening, and there isn't much time if we hope to restore to Constitutional Government.
I called Ron yesterday to tell him I am on board to do ANYTHING it takes to support his campaign.
NOW is the time for the ENTIRE Freedom Movement, all Third Parties, ALL GOOD AMERICANS EVERYWHERE, from all political stripes and persuasions, to unite to overtake the weakened Republican Party. Stand firmly behind Ron Paul, and work to restore our Constitutional Republic.
Do not let partisan politics get in the way. No matter what your Party affiliation, we must support Ron Paul as the Candidate.
Everything in the movie, America: Freedom to Fascism IS Ron Paul.
In my conversation with Congressman Paul, I told him I'll make copies of America: Freedom to Fascism available for his campaign. We will spread them far and wide.
What better way to introduce him to the public than for him to talk to them in their own living rooms?! What better way to help awaken them to governmental intrusions into their private lives than to see it in their own homes?
Congressman Ron Paul is the man with the strength to stay the course until Enemies, Foreign and Domestic, are put in their rightful place!
There isn't a better man for the job. He has an impeccable voting record. He is "right on," on Freedom and Sovereignty issues.
In a time of universal deceit, Congressman Paul dares to commit the revolutionary act of telling the truth. How refreshing!
But now the work begins.
Ron Paul needs not just our "affirmative nod," he needs our time, energy, financial contributions, and willingness to see him win. He needs us to use our precious accrued "vacation time" to go to New Hampshire to knock on doors, pass out AFTF DVDs, to be as dedicated to helping him win as he is to running the Race. His campaign must be organized District by District.
The entire AFTF Network must focus on helping Ron Paul. You have already awakened a lot of Americans to the dangers we face.
NOW, help me, won't you, as I do everything within my means to promote the only HONEST, Constitutional American in the 2008 Presidential race.
With the right Candidate and a passionate grassroots effort, it is possible to take over a weakened Republican Party. I've told you many times of how we overtook the Republican Party in my Gubernatorial race in Nevada. I KNOW it can be done!
Well, HERE is that Candidate!
NOW IS THE TIME to join with me and support Ron Paul.
I've seen you at work. You can do this. WE can do this!
I Am Most Sincerely Yours in Freedom,
Aaron Russo
Is Aaron Russo, the man you keep referring to as an example, naive too for supporting Ron Paul beliefs?
I like Ron Pauls beliefs, I only question his proposed methods as being nieve. Russo only agreed with some of his ideas, not all of them. I have no replacement-person to promote, but I don't want Hillary, and I don't want Ron., but I DO promote many of Ron Pauls ideas too.
I explaned what an appeaser achives, how can you say there is nothing wrong with that approach?
9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. When are you going to let go of that lie?
danny wrote:
Wait for it, it is coming... National Id Card, RFID chips etc... you like Aaron Russo and agree with his findings yet you stand against him? He exposed all of this stuff in great detail...
You are equating what is in place, and has been working on what MIGHT BE. Not very logical. If those "are comming..." then they must be opposed like drivers licenses for illegals. Fight the issue, not the supposition.
If you want a detailed cause for 9/11, I can give you my research, but be forwarned, Iraq was, if anything, a miniscule part of it, and we wern't even in Iraq when 9/11 happened, and hadn't been for quite a while.
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I explaned what an appeaser achives, how can you say there is nothing wrong with that approach?
jrbeaman wrote:
Don't feed the alligator. Kick his ass. Maybe he will get the message to stop trying to eat you. Otherwise you may have to kill him, as your very survival depends on it. You also have to fight to win, unlike the politicians meddling did in Viet Nam.
How about... Leaving the darn thing alone? you'd be fine lol it doesn't want to be fed, it doesn't want to eat "you" leave him be and he'll leave you alone.
jrbeaman wrote:
You are equating what is in place, and has been working on what MIGHT BE. Not very logical. If those "are comming..." then they must be opposed like drivers licenses for illegals. Fight the issue, not the supposition.
Yeah that worked real well with the Patriot act.
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I explaned what an appeaser achives, how can you say there is nothing wrong with that approach?
jrbeaman wrote:
Don't feed the alligator. Kick his ass. Maybe he will get the message to stop trying to eat you. Otherwise you may have to kill him, as your very survival depends on it. You also have to fight to win, unlike the politicians meddling did in Viet Nam.
How about... Leaving the darn thing alone? you'd be fine lol it doesn't want to be fed, it doesn't want to eat "you" leave him be and he'll leave you alone.
jrbeaman wrote:
You are equating what is in place, and has been working on what MIGHT BE. Not very logical. If those "are comming..." then they must be opposed like drivers licenses for illegals. Fight the issue, not the supposition.
Yeah that worked real well with the Patriot act.
It has worked so far. We have had no terror attacks, and no one has been harmed by the patriot act, it is only a percieved threat, like a loaded gun. I have seen no cases of abuse yet.
But you also forget that this aligator wants to eat us. Period.
Their whole cause is based on the decadence and its influence on their people, and they are getting stronger and more determined because of our talk of appeasement. Appease him how? If we were to pull totally out of the gulf, it would ruin our economy. They still want to kill the decadence of the west. They are determined to kill us all, and our way of life. Nothing would change except we would be devistated and they would be heros.
It would be like ignoring a thunderstorm, pretending we won't get wet.
I think you have it backwards. He want's to eat us. We are trying to stop him. Not the other way around. Appeasing him is like feeding him, it makes him stronger.
No, and we are not in Iraq because of 9/11 any more than Clinton was impeached because of sex. They also didn't disbar him for getting a blowjob. Quit listening to Rosie and the tabloids.
Sorry for the delay in my reply, some stuff happened which shifted my focus away from politics a bit as I had to concentrate on other aspects of the Downline Partners website.
I've kept digging into this though, on and off, and what I found is very scary. I really hope these conspiracy theorists are wrong, I pray they are for what they say the end game is, is a one world government with a global currency where your rights come from the government instead of God. Your sovereignty and freedom, what the USA is supposed to defend, is the very thing that is under threat, terrorism is the least of our problems. Both republican and democratic candidates are bad, we are left with two bad choices!
Here's a few videos to get this started.
As lou Dobbs mentions, the scheduled date for the North American Union is 2010 and leaked information from a secret meeting points to Civil war and Martial Law being imminent before the end of 2009! _________________ *´¨) Your partner in success
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Now let's look at what it would be like if this came about, if the USA, Canada and Mexico becomes the North American Union like the European Union with the new Amero currency under the United Nations.
Scary heh?
All of this is connected to 9/11, this attack is not over! It was the event that enabled all of those changes to happen. So my question is this... who really benefited from this attack? Could it have been engineered by those who seek this one world government?
Remember, John F. Kennedy opposed the Federal Reserve and was assassinated. Andrew Jackson opposed the Federal Reserve and was assassinated and so was Lincoln. 3 presidents dedicated to ending the fed, assassinated. Are we supposed to forget that those events happened?
The USA needs to listen to Ron Paul, get out of the United Nations and get rid of the Federal Reserve system.
This is a continuation of the war of independence and you are losing your freedom and independence, your country is being conquered through infiltration and deception.
Listen to this speech from John F. Kennedy:
Now let's listen to Ronald Regan
Now let's watch some Ron Paul:
On the Bailout
and Ron Paul from 1983
Ron Paul has been warning us about this stuff for about 30 years!
He is now endorsing the Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin and so do I. look him up in youtube, he's pretty good.
Now let me end this with a speech from an Iraq Veteran against the war Adam Kokesh from Ron Paul's Campaign for Liberty and one from Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution party candidate that Ron Paul fully supports.
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